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		<title>By: Joel</title>
		<link>http://leftforledroit.com/2010/03/activity-at-1922-third-street/#comment-292</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 16:28:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The developers presented this project at the ANC meeting Thursday.  There was limited discussion. The ANC prefered that the project be reviewed by their Design subcommittee for a more detailed review than was/is possible at the full ANC meeting with an already long agenda.  The ANC&#039;s resolution was to NOT accept the project as presented. 

The two primary concerns I raised were: 1) the loss of idendity of the single family/farm house structure with all the additions connected to it, and 2) the size (detail design elements are still to be worked out) of the townhouse.  It is 3 stories tall and +/-90 feet deep.  Parking is a toss up with many good points for and against having more than the 4 proposed spaces. 

The Design Committee will be meeting on Tues March 16th at 733 Euclid St.at 6:30pm  People are encouraged to attend and make their views known.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The developers presented this project at the ANC meeting Thursday.  There was limited discussion. The ANC prefered that the project be reviewed by their Design subcommittee for a more detailed review than was/is possible at the full ANC meeting with an already long agenda.  The ANC&#8217;s resolution was to NOT accept the project as presented. </p>
<p>The two primary concerns I raised were: 1) the loss of idendity of the single family/farm house structure with all the additions connected to it, and 2) the size (detail design elements are still to be worked out) of the townhouse.  It is 3 stories tall and +/-90 feet deep.  Parking is a toss up with many good points for and against having more than the 4 proposed spaces. </p>
<p>The Design Committee will be meeting on Tues March 16th at 733 Euclid St.at 6:30pm  People are encouraged to attend and make their views known.</p>
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		<title>By: Mueller</title>
		<link>http://leftforledroit.com/2010/03/activity-at-1922-third-street/#comment-291</link>
		<dc:creator>Mueller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 22:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Overall it looks good.  Glad to see character in the addition.  I believe this building was used as a boarding house in the past with many rooms.  I would like to have as few units in it as possible (3 or 4), but anyway, I&#039;m glad something appearing to be nice is going to be done with the property (if all goes well with the due diligence).  Look forward to seeing it evolve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Overall it looks good.  Glad to see character in the addition.  I believe this building was used as a boarding house in the past with many rooms.  I would like to have as few units in it as possible (3 or 4), but anyway, I&#8217;m glad something appearing to be nice is going to be done with the property (if all goes well with the due diligence).  Look forward to seeing it evolve.</p>
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		<title>By: dano</title>
		<link>http://leftforledroit.com/2010/03/activity-at-1922-third-street/#comment-290</link>
		<dc:creator>dano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 18:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Liam: I was just about to assume what Suzanne tells us. There is likely nothing inside worth saving. It looks like a wreck. Its much better to have a more densely occupied building than to let the thing rot. That&#039;s not doing anyone any favors. I am hoping to make it to the meeting tonight to learn some more and hopefully meet the developers.

If you&#039;re not growing, you&#039;re dying, and that&#039;s what this property was doing. I am happy to see an ambitious and respectful plan to get some people in the house.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liam: I was just about to assume what Suzanne tells us. There is likely nothing inside worth saving. It looks like a wreck. Its much better to have a more densely occupied building than to let the thing rot. That&#8217;s not doing anyone any favors. I am hoping to make it to the meeting tonight to learn some more and hopefully meet the developers.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re not growing, you&#8217;re dying, and that&#8217;s what this property was doing. I am happy to see an ambitious and respectful plan to get some people in the house.</p>
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		<title>By: Suzanne Des Marais</title>
		<link>http://leftforledroit.com/2010/03/activity-at-1922-third-street/#comment-287</link>
		<dc:creator>Suzanne Des Marais</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 17:19:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the record, the interior of the property was gutted many, many years ago.  It&#039;s currently a mess of dry wall and gross carpet.  No pocket doors.  No mantels.  No tile.

This is a developer (and architects) with an excellent track record.  As a neighbor, I sincerely hope to see them be able to work with this property.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the record, the interior of the property was gutted many, many years ago.  It&#8217;s currently a mess of dry wall and gross carpet.  No pocket doors.  No mantels.  No tile.</p>
<p>This is a developer (and architects) with an excellent track record.  As a neighbor, I sincerely hope to see them be able to work with this property.</p>
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		<title>By: Shelly</title>
		<link>http://leftforledroit.com/2010/03/activity-at-1922-third-street/#comment-285</link>
		<dc:creator>Shelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 16:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These plans look great, and compared to what is there now this can only be an improvement. I hope none of the neighbors try to throw a wrench in this because of things like parking, and if they are going to take the house down to its studs and not keep the pocket doors. This is a city, people live close to each other, 14 units isn&#039;t to many for this area. This isn&#039;t Reston where there is space to spread 14 units over 14 acres. 100 year old houses sometimes need to be brought down to their studs and redone. You can&#039;t preserve everthing out of sentimental feelings. They aren&#039;t turning this into a solid concrete bunker they are keeping the basic look and feel of the neighborhood intact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These plans look great, and compared to what is there now this can only be an improvement. I hope none of the neighbors try to throw a wrench in this because of things like parking, and if they are going to take the house down to its studs and not keep the pocket doors. This is a city, people live close to each other, 14 units isn&#8217;t to many for this area. This isn&#8217;t Reston where there is space to spread 14 units over 14 acres. 100 year old houses sometimes need to be brought down to their studs and redone. You can&#8217;t preserve everthing out of sentimental feelings. They aren&#8217;t turning this into a solid concrete bunker they are keeping the basic look and feel of the neighborhood intact.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://leftforledroit.com/2010/03/activity-at-1922-third-street/#comment-284</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 16:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is absolutely fantastic.  The plan looks to me much like the Juniper, which is a phenomenal achievement, and this company&#039;s other developments set a great precedent.  

Here&#039;s hoping that neighborhood busybodies don&#039;t let the perfect be the enemy of the good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is absolutely fantastic.  The plan looks to me much like the Juniper, which is a phenomenal achievement, and this company&#8217;s other developments set a great precedent.  </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s hoping that neighborhood busybodies don&#8217;t let the perfect be the enemy of the good.</p>
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		<title>By: Liam</title>
		<link>http://leftforledroit.com/2010/03/activity-at-1922-third-street/#comment-282</link>
		<dc:creator>Liam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 14:47:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If interested in the preservation of what is clearly a worthy historic, single family structure, I&#039;d say squeezing 14 units into this home-plus-addition will result in interior historic characteristics and original spatial qualities of the building being completely lost. 

The developer may intend on maintaining some balustrades and/or saving some moldings but to fit in that many (14) dwelling units requires an intensive cutting-up of the interior to such a degree that the contractor might as well (and potentially is planning to) remove all interior framing and partitions such that once demolition is complete, they are left with an historic skin to be packed with new (small) apartments. Divide 14,000 by 14 and you get 1,000 square feet - generous 1 or 2 bedroom units - but with necessary new plumbing chases, new HVAC to support 14 dwelling units, and the corridors and vertical circulation space, you&#039;re left with much less than 1,000 square average per unit to work with. I&#039;m interested to know the actual average unit size; maybe 600 or 700 square feet each? Reminds me of some of the brownstones-cum-SRO&#039;s in Bed Stuy Brooklyn, most of which have been taken back to their single-family with English basement glory. Is the proposed1922 3rd Street project movement in the wrong direction?

What&#039;s important about the addition: reviewing and understanding the construction details and getting hold of actual material samples. This is the only way to be certain that the builder will execute an addition that evokes quality and character of the original home. But please do not be fooled: when you add substantially to a home like this, what was original can never be replicated and what is new will never be of the same quality and character; it would make the project too high-end and therefore unfeasible for the developer. The addition will be clearly a new structure (as it should be) and the integrity of the original home will be lost if the addition tries to attach to and blend with the original.

I believe in an approach where the preservation efforts are rigorous and meticulous, inside and out; appropriately modernizing kitchens and baths, opening up the plan a bit, but preserving the exterior, and reusing interior elements appropriately. New structures added to the site should be clearly not historic and not try to be, resulting in a defined contrast. Attachments or connective tissue should be strategic and surgical, not glommed on and overwhelming. Let&#039;s allow the new to be new in a contemporary, subtle, understated way that operates to highlight and celebrate the original building while standing on its own as a contemporary addition to the site. 

That the developers are architects says little about the project. Unfortunately for us all, there are oodles of unskilled, untalented Architects throughout the DC area. I challenge the developers to find a middle ground between maximizing profit and a project that considers not only the site and existing structures but its context, its place in the city, and a more inventive solution that sets precedent for future projects of this type.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If interested in the preservation of what is clearly a worthy historic, single family structure, I&#8217;d say squeezing 14 units into this home-plus-addition will result in interior historic characteristics and original spatial qualities of the building being completely lost. </p>
<p>The developer may intend on maintaining some balustrades and/or saving some moldings but to fit in that many (14) dwelling units requires an intensive cutting-up of the interior to such a degree that the contractor might as well (and potentially is planning to) remove all interior framing and partitions such that once demolition is complete, they are left with an historic skin to be packed with new (small) apartments. Divide 14,000 by 14 and you get 1,000 square feet &#8211; generous 1 or 2 bedroom units &#8211; but with necessary new plumbing chases, new HVAC to support 14 dwelling units, and the corridors and vertical circulation space, you&#8217;re left with much less than 1,000 square average per unit to work with. I&#8217;m interested to know the actual average unit size; maybe 600 or 700 square feet each? Reminds me of some of the brownstones-cum-SRO&#8217;s in Bed Stuy Brooklyn, most of which have been taken back to their single-family with English basement glory. Is the proposed1922 3rd Street project movement in the wrong direction?</p>
<p>What&#8217;s important about the addition: reviewing and understanding the construction details and getting hold of actual material samples. This is the only way to be certain that the builder will execute an addition that evokes quality and character of the original home. But please do not be fooled: when you add substantially to a home like this, what was original can never be replicated and what is new will never be of the same quality and character; it would make the project too high-end and therefore unfeasible for the developer. The addition will be clearly a new structure (as it should be) and the integrity of the original home will be lost if the addition tries to attach to and blend with the original.</p>
<p>I believe in an approach where the preservation efforts are rigorous and meticulous, inside and out; appropriately modernizing kitchens and baths, opening up the plan a bit, but preserving the exterior, and reusing interior elements appropriately. New structures added to the site should be clearly not historic and not try to be, resulting in a defined contrast. Attachments or connective tissue should be strategic and surgical, not glommed on and overwhelming. Let&#8217;s allow the new to be new in a contemporary, subtle, understated way that operates to highlight and celebrate the original building while standing on its own as a contemporary addition to the site. </p>
<p>That the developers are architects says little about the project. Unfortunately for us all, there are oodles of unskilled, untalented Architects throughout the DC area. I challenge the developers to find a middle ground between maximizing profit and a project that considers not only the site and existing structures but its context, its place in the city, and a more inventive solution that sets precedent for future projects of this type.</p>
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		<title>By: Suzanne Des Marais</title>
		<link>http://leftforledroit.com/2010/03/activity-at-1922-third-street/#comment-281</link>
		<dc:creator>Suzanne Des Marais</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 23:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi. I introduced Community Three to this property and represent them in the acquisition (I also brokered the acquisition of The Nine, M St Flats, as well as a historic church on Capitol Hill that is currently undergoing construction).  This one is particularly special to me, though, since I live nearby and walk my dog past the property almost every day.  

I am glad to see the positive comments and am very proud to represent this developer.  Two of the Principals are architects.  I believe they are purposeful and sensitive to the neighborhoods and the environment in their design approach.  

We were admittedly surprised to see this post, however, we appreciate that it is thoughtfully done.  The developer is at the very beginning of the due diligence period, so none of this is a done deal at this point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi. I introduced Community Three to this property and represent them in the acquisition (I also brokered the acquisition of The Nine, M St Flats, as well as a historic church on Capitol Hill that is currently undergoing construction).  This one is particularly special to me, though, since I live nearby and walk my dog past the property almost every day.  </p>
<p>I am glad to see the positive comments and am very proud to represent this developer.  Two of the Principals are architects.  I believe they are purposeful and sensitive to the neighborhoods and the environment in their design approach.  </p>
<p>We were admittedly surprised to see this post, however, we appreciate that it is thoughtfully done.  The developer is at the very beginning of the due diligence period, so none of this is a done deal at this point.</p>
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		<title>By: IMGoph</title>
		<link>http://leftforledroit.com/2010/03/activity-at-1922-third-street/#comment-277</link>
		<dc:creator>IMGoph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 22:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fantastic plan!

if the neighborhood is concerned about parking, how about looking into the new units not being eligible for RPP? it&#039;s been done in ward 6, i wonder if could be done in ledroit park.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fantastic plan!</p>
<p>if the neighborhood is concerned about parking, how about looking into the new units not being eligible for RPP? it&#8217;s been done in ward 6, i wonder if could be done in ledroit park.</p>
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		<title>By: 3rdStreetDesign</title>
		<link>http://leftforledroit.com/2010/03/activity-at-1922-third-street/#comment-276</link>
		<dc:creator>3rdStreetDesign</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 18:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The new unsubdivided rowhouse seems out of scale.  Is that why the tree partially conceals it in the sketch?  I think two stories w/ 11&#039;-0&quot; floor to floor would be more appropriate and in keeping with the building next to it.
The most concerning aspect is 14 units with only four parking spaces.  I&#039;m all for people living auto-less and all that urban feel good stuff but the reality is 14 units averaging 1,000sf each will probably mean an additional dozen or so cars fighting for street parking spaces.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The new unsubdivided rowhouse seems out of scale.  Is that why the tree partially conceals it in the sketch?  I think two stories w/ 11&#8242;-0&#8243; floor to floor would be more appropriate and in keeping with the building next to it.<br />
The most concerning aspect is 14 units with only four parking spaces.  I&#8217;m all for people living auto-less and all that urban feel good stuff but the reality is 14 units averaging 1,000sf each will probably mean an additional dozen or so cars fighting for street parking spaces.</p>
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